‘UnREAL’ Boss on in which Surprising Ending (This kind of Was Plan B!) in addition to Why Season 4 can be Totally ‘Different’ (Exclusive)

Warning: Spoiler alert! Do not proceed if you have not watched Monday’s two-hour season finale of UnREAL.

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In Monday’s two-hour season finale of UnREAL, Rachel’s (Shiri Appleby) desires to get out of the wretched, unhealthy bubble in which can be the fictional Bachelor/Bachelorette-esque dating show, Everlasting, comes to fruition when uber-producer Quinn (Constance Zimmer) lets her out for not bad. This kind of should be a moment of relief for Rachel, who’s spent the entire season trying to prove to Quinn — through suitress Serena (Sweetbitter‘s Caitlin FitzGerald) — in which she’s capable of being loved in spite of her age, success in addition to power. Instead, what Rachel’s left with by season’s end can be a lonely existence as she retreats back to her cabin from the woods.

The season-ending moment comes after she learns in which the psychiatrist Quinn hired, Dr. Simon (Brandon Jay McLaren), can be just as twisted as everyone else in her inner circle when he makes an inappropriate play for her love. in which shocking revelation can be the straw in which breaks the camel’s back, as Rachel’s ex Jeremy (Josh Kelly), Serena (she tells Rachel she belongs at a “horrible” place like Everlasting) in addition to others reiterate — in their own way — to Rachel in which she’s a god-awful person: Jeremy, for “producing” him to kill two people at the end of season two; Serena, for “producing” her to choose herself in addition to reject two proposals at the Everlasting finale. 

“The finale was about a piling on for Rachel, from the sense in which she finds out This kind of horrible admission by Dr. Simon. Then everything can be turned into question for her,” showrunner Stacy Rukeyser tells ET. “This kind of makes her question everything in which she has done as she has gone on This kind of personal journey with him This kind of season, in addition to in which includes cutting ties with her family. today she can be alone in addition to he says all of these things, like, ‘If anyone knew the truth about who you are in addition to what you’ve done, they would likely never love you. You are unlovable the way you are.'” 

“Everyone’s basically telling her she’s a piece of s**t or in which she’s a bad person,” she says. “Those things are ringing in her ear when she goes off to her cabin.” although things can’t truly end there for Rachel. As we know, a fourth season — premiere date yet to be announced — featuring an all-star installment of Everlasting has already been filmed, in addition to you know Rachel will be a part of This kind of. How does she find herself back in Everlasting’s clutches?

Following the conclusion of season three, ET spoke with Rukeyser about the season in which was, the original finale ending in addition to why the fresh season features a brand fresh (in addition to much blonder) look for Rachel.

ET: Why did you end season three with Rachel alone at the cabin, having finally gotten out of Everlasting?

Stacy Rukeyser: I can tell you a little tidbit, which can be in which in which cabin was originally shot as an alt ending before we knew there was going to be a season four. There was, in fact, a different ending, although then of course, we did get ordered for a season four in addition to people were in love with This kind of ending — with her getting out in addition to getting to the cabin. Since there can be a season four, you know there’s going to be a Rachel Goldberg. You know she’s coming back to the show for one reason or another. If you happen to follow Shiri Appleby’s Instagram, you will see in which she’s blonde for season four. She’s blonde, not just because she’s trying a fresh look, although This kind of’s coming out of a real internal panic in addition to a desperate need to change herself or change her life. A lot of in which has to do with what those people said at the end of season three in which are still ringing in her ears in addition to are terrifying her. Rachel lying there on the deck, This kind of’s everything she said she wanted — This kind of’s in which “beautiful place” — in addition to yet she’s still alone with those thoughts. This kind of’s incredibly terrifying in addition to destabilizing [for her]. 

What was the original ending in which you had in mind for the finale if what we saw was Option B?

Basically, Rachel made the decision to stay at Everlasting, so she never went to the cabin from the first place. Everything can be the same, where Quinn offers her the money in addition to all of in which, although Rachel decides to stay at Everlasting. In some ways, This kind of’s a similar thing because she’ll be back at Everlasting in season four, although there’s been in which moment when she could have gotten out. She did get out, at least for however much time she’s up there, which I won’t say. This kind of has been Rachel’s internal struggle for the entire series. She’s incredibly conflicted about being there, hates herself for the work she does there in addition to yet feels very empowered. This kind of does give her a sense of power, even though she hates herself for the fact in which This kind of makes her feel powerful, in addition to there’s the incredible relationship with Quinn. in which push-pull has been a part of This kind of all along.

Quinn in addition to Rachel’s last conversation actually encapsulated their partnership, where Quinn tells Rachel she’s “a star.” in which despite the backstabbing, the betrayal in addition to the awful things they’ve done to each various other, they’re very much dependent on each various other in addition to cemented the fact in which things are going to be different today. How important was This kind of to have in which scene from the finale?

We always talk about how Rachel in addition to Quinn are the love story of the series, in addition to you can imagine writing the scene when we didn’t know if This kind of was going to be a series finale. This kind of was even more important to show in which because I do believe in which regardless of the bad things in which they’ve done to each various other or the ways in which This kind of’s an unhealthy relationship, in which they love each various other very deeply in addition to in which Quinn actually does care for Rachel in a way in which Rachel’s own mother never did. in which was actually essential, whether This kind of was going to be the end of the series or not. As we go into season four, look, they’re going to have conflict again because Quinn ends up on Chet’s doorstep in addition to in which can be not necessarily something Rachel would likely support, I’ll put This kind of in which way. Also, what does Quinn think about [Rachel coming back to Everlasting], after she’s given her the money to get out? 

The Everlasting finale featured a moment where Chet confesses in front of America in which he’s in love with Quinn, which leads to Quinn landing on his doorstep. Are things on slightly more stable ground for the two? What do you see for Quinn in addition to Chet’s future?

Chet’s worked hard This kind of season, in terms of his own personal growth. We’ve always felt in which there’s an undeniable love story between Chet in addition to Quinn, as messed up as This kind of can be in addition to flawed as This kind of can be. For Quinn, her personal journey This kind of season was all about getting her career back up. First, getting the show back up in addition to running, in addition to then expanding her empire. although she, too, at the end of the day, has to come to terms with whether or not in which’s enough for her or whether she needs some human connection beyond her relationship with Rachel because she believes Rachel can be leaving. She does show up on Chet’s doorstep in addition to This kind of’s intended to be a romantic moment. I’m sure there will be conversations amongst the fans, where some will be happy in addition to some won’t be happy at all.

Jeremy quits Everlasting. can be he still from the picture in season four?

He’s gone. Jeremy does, in fact, get out in addition to get away in addition to he can be not back for season four.

Did you feel creatively his story was complete?

For sure. I love Josh Kelly in addition to he’s gone through so many transformations on This kind of show. His scene at the end of episode nine, where he says “I’m a murderer,” in which he has This kind of realization can be incredibly well done. in which’s a great, fitting ending just for This kind of character in addition to frankly, This kind of’s nice in which someone actually gets out in addition to gets away. This kind of was challenging only because there’s a lot of love for Josh Kelly in addition to a lot of love for in which character, so even though This kind of made sense storytelling-wise, we actually had to talk in addition to say, “Are we actually OK without having him a part of the fabric?” This kind of did feel, storytelling-wise, in which in which was the honest in addition to right thing to do.


Serena ultimately rejects Jasper in addition to Owen’s proposals during the Everlasting finale in addition to soon after, she’s from the limo on the dating app. Does she regret not generating a choice or taking the Everlasting experience more seriously or in which she went on the show from the first place?

This kind of’s all of in which. Thematically, one of the things we were interested in looking at This kind of season can be who can be the right person for a woman like Serena? Should she be with the alpha dog like Jasper in addition to together they’d be This kind of power couple who travels all over the planet, or should she be with someone like Owen, who doesn’t have as fancy a career although he could be at home with the kids more? How do you separate between settling in addition to This kind of line where she says, “You persuaded women everywhere to wait for your Clooney.” in which became such a big point for us. Amal Clooney was very much the inspiration for Serena because we were talking about how if she had not met George Clooney, who was going to be not bad enough for her? Who the hell was This kind of going to be? When Serena’s back from the limo, she’s back on the Tindr-like app, there can be what we describe as the tyranny of choice. You can keep swiping in addition to swiping in addition to swiping, in addition to there’s always someone else. We actually like to ask questions, rather than give answers. although what we’re saying can be This kind of’s tough to know. Should she have chosen one of those guys? I’m not so sure. although if she also doomed to This kind of tyranny of choice? Yes, I think so.

Tracie Thoms’ character, Fiona, was elevated to become the head of the network by the end of the finale. How big of a presence will she have from the fresh season?

Yeah, she’s the president of the network today so she’s back in season four. 

For most of the season, Dr. Simon was the calming force, the guy with the crucial life wisdom — until the very last episode, when you realize he’s just as screwed up as everyone else. How did you justify in which character turn so late from the season? 

from the planet of UnREAL, no one can be ever just one thing. No one can be ever able to just be not bad in addition to not have a darker side, in addition to vice versa. What we feel can be part in addition to parcel of This kind of bubble in which you get into on This kind of show or on a show like This kind of. This kind of can be a bit obsessive, although This kind of’s in This kind of universe where people get sucked in in addition to terrible things are completely acceptable in addition to justifiable. He loses his way as almost all of these characters have done when they are at Everlasting

What was This kind of like seeing the sexual harassment storyline play out amidst the #MeToo in addition to Time’s Up movements?

This kind of was crazy because when Quinn said to Gary in which he was today the defendant of a class-action lawsuit, I think This kind of was Bill O’Reilly [from the news] back at in which point. This kind of was actually shocking in addition to I wish in which I could say in which we were prescient in addition to in which we knew This kind of moment was coming although we actually didn’t. These were things we were feeling in addition to some of us had experienced as women in addition to wanted to talk about, although This kind of’s exciting in which This kind of’s become a bigger part of the cultural conversation. 

Looking ahead to season four, which can be the all-star season of Everlasting, who can be coming back?

August (Adam Demos) can be coming back in addition to Alexi (Alex Sparrow) can be coming back, in addition to then a couple of various other people by past seasons. (Breeda Wool, who played Faith in season one, can be also confirmed to return.) The format can be a little bit different. There can be a Survivor-like challenge in every episode, as well as an elimination ceremony where people couple up in addition to they spend the night together, so This kind of’s like every night can be an overnight. This kind of’s the Wild West style of Everlasting. (The fresh additions include Megan Holder, Natalie Hall, Alejandro Muñoz, Alli Chung, Meghan Heffern in addition to Christopher Russell.)


Rachel had a brief fling with August This kind of season, although who will be catching her eye?

I can tell you in which from the teaser for season four, you see Rachel can be blonde in addition to Quinn says, “To hell with being a producer, you’re a suitress.” You see Rachel using a lot of these different guys. I don’t want to say too much beyond in which about why Quinn gets in which impression or if in which’s true or what’s actually happening. in addition to we also have a fresh producer, Tommy, who’s played by Francois Arnaud, in addition to in which’s some fresh blood who’s fairly attractive too, I’ll put This kind of in which way.

I always ask, although can be Adam (the suitor from the first season played by Freddie Stroma) back from the fold?

We would likely love to have him back whenever although he has not actually been available. I’m sure we would likely dream up story if we could, although This kind of’s not from the cards right today. Unfortunately, no [Adam in season four]. 

Anything you would likely do over or do differently after watching season three?

We talked so much about Serena in addition to who she was in addition to whether she was “likable” or how to make sure the audience was rooting for her in her journey to try in addition to find love. This kind of’s part of a bigger conversation about unlikable female protagonists in which I think can be actually interesting, in terms of what makes a person likable or not. For us, we have a huge understanding for Serena. We never felt in which she was unlikable. We, as women, related to her in addition to to what she was going through in addition to the vulnerability in which she experienced. We were rooting for her in addition to yes, she makes mistakes in addition to yes, she’s better at business than she can be in her dating life. although the deck can be also stacked against her because there are a lot of prejudices in addition to preconceived ideas of how women are supposed to be in which are incredibly unfair. in which’s what we’re always trying to put forth with our characters: They’re real women who don’t behave perfectly. in which’s real life in addition to I trust in which This kind of’s relatable. This kind of’s not always easy to see people make bad choices or do bad things, although I think This kind of’s real. I haven’t seen a lot of season debriefs yet, although those are the kinds of characters I want to see more of on television. This kind of’s very interesting to look at what women are allowed to be in addition to what they’re allowed to do on television then what men have been allowed to do for a long, long time. All we want can be for people to be talking about This kind of. We don’t want everyone to be in agreement; an old boss used to say, “If your audience can be happy, your show can be dead.”

Do you have any idea on when season four will launch?

[Lifetime] has not given us any indication. I don’t think This kind of’s summer. They have You, the Sera Gamble-Greg Berlanti show in which’s airing in September. There’s a chance we may air with in which although there’s a chance they might hold This kind of till next spring.


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